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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby slowcowboy » Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:59 am

So , dumb question how big would you dare go on weight or size wirh a compact car?...
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby gudmund » Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:29 pm

as with every vehicle made - read the owners manual, there is usually a section on towing in 'it's' manual. If you need a manual for 'your' vehicle, you can go on line - there are places that sell them or stop by a local wrecking yard (used car parts yard - as they want to be called these days) Time too do some research --- :thinking: take care
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby friz » Tue Dec 04, 2018 3:48 pm

My car comes with a dire warning against towing anything in the manual. As long as I load correctly with 10 to 15% on the tongue, my camper tracks dead straight at all speeds. Loaded light, close to 500lbs, I dont even notice it's back there. Loaded heavy, 800lbs or so, I start noticing it taking longer to brake. Much heavier then that I would want trailer brakes.

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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby gudmund » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:32 pm

to each their own when it comes to towing - guess if "someone" out there makes a hitch for it, guess you can tow something with it, whatever it is. I personally would rather have 'more' than I even would need as a tow vehicle than something 'I might be able to make do with' - example my PU has a 3200 lb tow rating (tow a 1600 lb tear) BUT you will NEVER see me towing with my daily driver - Geo Metro/Suzuki Swift, have had 7 of them so far - (yet I have seen it done) take care and good luck - with whatever, and wherever your towing endeavors may lead or take you ....................... just stay safe !!!!!!!
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby S. Heisley » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:34 pm

Don't just think about towing a trailer. Think about stopping it too. I had a small pickup truck that was rated to tow up to 3500 lbs; but, if you looked in the braking section, it was only rated to stop a 1200 lb trailer, if the trailer didn't have brakes.
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby friz » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:54 pm

S. Heisley wrote:Don't just think about towing a trailer. Think about stopping it too. I had a small pickup truck that was rated to tow up to 3500 lbs; but, if you looked in the braking section, it was only rated to stop a 1200 lb trailer, if the trailer didn't have brakes.
And that probably drops to zero if you loaded the bed to capacity. Probably any total weight above your gvwr should need trailer brakes.

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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby gudmund » Wed Dec 05, 2018 8:07 pm

and YES, once fully loaded, I end up being close to the 'total' max vehicle limit of the 7000 lbs with the trailer in tow - that's a fully loaded box with me in the vehicle when towing - that 3200 lb towing limit is a trailer limit tow weight with a total vehicle weight limit of 7000 lbs for the truck and trailer w driver, everything - the whole package - something most people never figure into the towing ordeal. Another reason why I said to find a copy your owners Manuel which in my case has all of these weights listed in it. (not just a trailer weight tow listing) When I tow, I will also usually stop by the local state weight scale (about 15 miles from me) after hours - when they are not open - and check my axle weights - they usually leave the scales turned on when closed, so trucks can stop and use them after hours here) I have usually been at 6500 to 6700 lbs totally loaded and this is with , like I said - a 1500 lb trailer. just goes to show how much more weight is being added with ALL of the other STUFF being carried for camping!! (like that extra 14inch Dutch Oven - we have yet to use for the big meal when at gatherings - it will NOT be there on the next trip in July 19 when I will be heading east across the states - The Big Trip!) It is NOT 'just' the weight of the trailer when towing!! And yes - Brakes, are another concern - something this PU has been fine with - they work GOOD, BUT will be being improved on in these next few months with the trailer brake system being set-up (this new trailer came with trailer brakes just not set-up yet) Take care I still love that little limerick I learned here on the forum awhile back - "You can go too slow down a hill forever - but you go too fast - it could be your last" so please stay safe................................. :thumbsup:
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby John61CT » Wed Dec 05, 2018 9:08 pm

I would never pull a trailer over 1000 lbs at highway speeds without brakes. Less maybe 800 with a very light TV, and not much more say 1200 even with a very heavy strong truck, as in 3500+.

And those are loaded wet weights.
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby gudmund » Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:53 pm

what I find interesting about the 1000 lb and having trailer brakes or not comment is - how many teardrop owners out there that "really" know what the weight of their trailer really is?? - I have talked to a lot of people over the years about their teardrops and 'very-very' few actually even know what their trailer weight is, being they have "never' actually ever weighed theirs - most of what I get is - it's probably 'this' or so'n-sos weights this much, so mine must be 'that'. (Nor do they even know how much they carry 'over and above' the weight of the trailer when camping.) I knew one who had the same brand of trailer as was my 4x8 yet his is a 5x8 using 2x3 frame tubing - same frame builder as mine but mine with 2x2 frame tubing, yet he tells me his trailer is at 8-900 lbs when towing fully loaded, yet mine always weighted in per the scale at 900 lb empty and 11-1200 lbs when loaded (one time it weighed in at 1400 lbs loaded) This is why I like to tell everyone to check out you state's weight scales after hours - I find that 'after' hours usually if you see the digital lites still lit up on their scale screen as you drive by (will usually show '0000') they are still on and this is when I stop and use them here in Wash/Oregon. As far as the question as to what weight to have trailer brakes?? - every vehicle is different along with your state law requirements - which so many states say they are needed when over 1500 lb. (most owners manuals I have read so far say 'needed at more than 1000 lb') And of course - weight is weight, no matter where it is being carried - whether in the vehicle or the trailer - it all, when 'totaled up' has an overall effect on the brakes ------------ :thinking:
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby daveesl77 » Thu Dec 06, 2018 8:33 am

Conch Fritter's weight was 1,340 loaded (normally). It towed great behind my F150 and my Sedona minivan. While it is technically still in bounds for the new Kia Soul, and I did pull it around my neighborhood to see, I would not even consider pulling it. I now live in a very mountainous region of West Virginia and I would not put the Soul in harms way mechanically by towing the Fritter, even if I added brakes. Not only is the weight a possible problem, but the height of the trailer is about 1 foot above the car, so there would be a lot of windage. I think the car has 140 hp. Two of the three roads leaving town are 9% grades for several miles, followed by more 8 and 9% grades.

So I stripped out the fritter's reusable parts, am selling the shell/frame/box and will build a smaller, lighter and more aero foamie.

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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby slowcowboy » Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:08 am

Well we are thinking about a,very very light weight very small 4 wide to pull behind a ford focus..I got larger teardrop campers for my 3 quarter ton truck..so tbis is a 3rd additional build for primary one person my self and top weight off yea 700 lbs...the car would pack the luggage not the camper..no need of a galley ether...my mind is on Rolly Nelson woodys or Paul Arnold's tear that he pulled in 2012 to wyoming...or a fiberglass egg on a 6 foot long harbor freight trailer.. we are talking one guy goung fishing fly rod and a float tube. Ultra light tear...bachaolor no wife...no fishing buddy's who play off and dont want to come along for the trip...slow
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby PKCSPT » Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:26 am

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before my beetle was rear ended. 4 wide and never knew the trailer was back there.
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby John61CT » Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:15 am

Yes, besides taking care of safety issues - which just slowing down helps enormously,

obviously there is a lot of additional wear & tear on the drivetrain. How flat / hilly the terrain is a big factor no matter what.

Frequency of use is a huge one there, fulltiming cross-country, as opposed to a few weekends a year within a few hours.

This wear & tear can be called "damage", not a black and white boundary there, all grey scale judgment calls.

Transmission is the weakest point, adding a dedicated temp gauge and maybe a separate cooler will go a long way to mitigating the risk.

But wit these extreme-tiny cars, an extreme-light trailer sure is the way to go, and of course that means actually weighing things. Bit like long-distance backpacking but counting each pound rather than ounces.
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Re: Compact cars pulling shop built tears.

Postby friz » Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:18 pm

Camping with an ultralight tear being compared to backpacking is a good analogy. The lighter you pack, the better the experience. My wife and I are not the typical campers. Our camper is more of a crash pad. We are active and spend our days hiking, cycling or exploring. We just need a place to sleep, make a quick breakfast, pack a lunch, make dinner. We seldom even build a fire.

Before the camper, we found ourselves buying expensive rooms in resort hotels and never used the resorts. Campgrounds put us closer to the action at a much cheaper rate. The first couple seasons using our camper paid for it.

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