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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby booyah » Fri Apr 22, 2016 6:52 am

French press has always been my go to.

Take some care with the grind, take your time on the push, and time the brew right and its some of the best coffee around.
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby JaggedEdges » Fri Apr 22, 2016 10:25 am

Any hints on what commercial grinds work well in french press?
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby dales133 » Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:18 am

We use medium grind in coffe plungers here (french press)
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby JaggedEdges » Sat Apr 23, 2016 3:32 pm

Just been playing with the fondue fuel burner, 5ml of fuel has it burning for around 2 mins 30 secs of "useful" flame, then it takes another 30 seconds or so to dwindle out. That 5ml provides around 75kJ of heat and you need 1kJ per pound of water per degree F to raise temp. So 10ml would just about boil 1 pound of 60ish F water in 5 mins. However, that's assuming total efficiency. 1 pound is close to a pint-ish. Think the percolator is a bit over 2 pints total capacity, assuming capacity is in 5 oz cups.... so in theory, need about 20ml of fuel to boil it in 10 mins.

However, I'm thinking the fondue pot stand I've got is a bit of a heatsink, nevermind the sinkiness of the perk itself and what it will waste in steam, so I'm thinking it would take more like 20 mins to brew up fully and 40ml of fuel. Though that's a bit pessimal. Maybe about half again as much, and 15 mins more on the mark going by the fuel/stove testing here.... http://adropofrain.net/2013/05/alcohol- ... -methanol/ assuming the fondue burner is at least as efficient as something cobbled together out of tin cans.

Though I'm kinda wondering if the fondue burner wouldn't work "better" on a perk pot than many other burners because it heats that spot in the middle right under the pipe. So wondering if you could have it boiling under there, while bulk of water/coffee is not boiling, probably cooling on the way up, but providing enough pressure to cycle it at lower than total boil point, meaning you don't get the overperked "burnt coffee" problem..... on a normal burner it heats pot from the edges. I'm kinda wondering how to effectively test the perk now it's potentially going to behave different on a regular stove burner. I was hoping to get the coffee amount and run time dialed in on a stove that didn't have other variables.

Also turns out the danged stand is about a quarter inch too big to go in a coffee can, need to recalibrate my eyeball. So something else for wind shield arrangement will have to be done. Found a slightly bigger danish cookie tin that could do for the base. I guess I need quite a hole for messing with the burner and slot for the handle, so I could use a slit open coffee can for the sides. Was looking at a way to have the pot sit off the stand a little on some silicone feet, stop heat transfer to stand, theoretically bulk of pot reaches max of 212 when silicone good for 450, however, the particular bits of silicone stuff and design of stand puts them in actual flame at the moment, which is ungood, since methanol flame can go to 3500ish. As I mentioned trying to go for a "coffee appliance" here that's all in one lump and can be carted on picnics also, and contained enough you can use it under canvas/tarp if it's pissing with rain... though I think I'd wanna have 4ft clear air over the top of it, and no chance of knocks so wouldn't use it in a TD sized TD, possible in a "crouchy" say 5ft high inside coach.... as long as you get your fuel handling down to a safe art and aren't going to splash it everywhere. Mind you, I guess I'd hang an oil lantern on a 2 ft chain and think it was fairly safe, maybe reconsider with experience when I see how much heat it seems to make in a smaller space. (Ventilate, ventilate, ventilate, I know someone gonna say it... )

Was in a regular store "Do you have any different grinds", point me to the espresso grinds, derp, then they tell me Folgers says it's suitable for all coffee makers, this is Canada for you though, not a wide choice in anything. I bet if I look under coffee specialists in yellow pages there will be 30 Tim Hortons and 2 Starbucks. Yah, I've got some ideas of where to try, just happened to be there.
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby booyah » Mon Apr 25, 2016 10:26 am

If you're looking at a fondue burner, look seriously at a pressurized alcohol stove. The photon stove is what I have, and 1oz alcohol will boil 2 cups (1pt) of water in about 5 minutes in a wide bottom pot. If you make your own stove you can direct the heat better wherever you want.

if will do 2 pints in a bit longer (8 min or so) with less than 2oz

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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby JaggedEdges » Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:35 pm

Though it would appear from the differences in energy content that the fondue burner would probably perform about the same as that with everclear in it vs methanol based fondue fuel. (Edit: or to put it another way, if I put methanol in that it would take as long as the fondue burner.. Everclear would be about $30 per 500ml where the Fondue fuel is $1.25.)
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby booyah » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:25 pm

In the US, denatured ethanol (with nasty stuff in it so people dont drink it) can be purchased for very little at most paint supply locations (including your big box stores)

that or the non Isoprohol based HEET gas line antifreeze is what I've run in my alcohol stoves

why burn the Everclear? thats for the fire inside!
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby slowcowboy » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:42 pm

everclear is for apple pie my frends..............lol. slowcowboy its just really smooth to drink........
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby ZugZug » Tue Apr 26, 2016 9:44 am

My husband loves his morning coffee
I bought him an AeroPress for Christmas and he's a very happy camper
Quick, easy, unbreakable, lovely smooth coffee

http://www.aeropress.com.au/
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby JaggedEdges » Tue Apr 26, 2016 12:27 pm

booyah wrote:In the US, denatured ethanol (with nasty stuff in it so people dont drink it) can be purchased for very little at most paint supply locations (including your big box stores)

that or the non Isoprohol based HEET gas line antifreeze is what I've run in my alcohol stoves

why burn the Everclear? thats for the fire inside!


Denat is hard to find up here, mentioned everclear because that's what testing was done with. non-iso HEET is methanol. Which btw, you shouldn't use as a gas line antifreeze if you've got ethanol in gas, use the iso-HEET, because mix of methanol and ethanol lowers the amount of water that can be held in solution, i.e. it separates out, collects, freezes which is what you're trying to prevent. However, I never buy either and use costco 99% isopropyl in the gas tank because it's cheaper. Though up until 2005ish when we got E10, I used fondue fuel in the tank instead of methanol HEET. Do keep wondering what an ISO-methanol blend would burn like though. Methanol is off from ethanol one way and iso is off the other, so you'd think a blend would be about the same. Tincan stove testers dismiss Iso because it burns different, I say it's just you need a different stove design or tweak (More air probably) ... interestingly copper is catalytic to ethanol and methanol dehydrogenation at about 85C or so, so if you wanna soup up your stove, think copper mesh or something.
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby slowcowboy » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:13 am

cowboy coffee is simple for us folks that cant remember where the hell we are at today..........there not rare hard to find important inserts like a perk pot to forget in camp and walk of and never see again no hard inserts to clean like perk pots............you just dump grounds into the camp fire and fill with water and shake and dump.........that's all there is to it as you don't have any inserts to clean in a boiler.

slowcowboy I like my boiler with a heaping lot of folgers classic roast............plenty of it. :thumbsup:
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby slowcowboy » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:20 am

just a dumb question re reading though the tread. but what does a press do? are you pressing the grounds out of the coffee like on a French press how does it function? slow
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby bobhenry » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:20 am

I am still very happy with my all purpose redneck water heater and the coffee singles. Some one walks up to visit and I just hand them a cup of steaming water a coffee "teabag" and point out the sugar. You can steep it as long as you want and make it as strong as you want to suit your personal tastes. The beauty of the red neck water heater you have other options such as hot chocolate, hot tea, heck you can even make quick oats or soup and still have hot water to wash up with :D

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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby ZugZug » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:28 am

HI Slow - in relation to your question (and I'm not a coffee drinker so only know what my husband tells me on this subject, and from observing from the sidelines)
A french press pushes the coffee grounds to the bottom, i.e. out of the coffee so you can drink it without the grounds.
An aero press is more similar to a benchtop espresso machine, in the sense that it pushes the hot water down through a disc of compressed coffee, and out through a tiny hole into your cup. So it's more like an espresso, and uses a finer grind of coffee.

A benchtop espresso coffee machine uses a motor to push the water down, an aero press uses your hand to push the water down using a plunger. But the idea is basically the same.

Don't ask me about those machines with the capsules of coffee though. I have no idea - we've never had one.
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Re: My take on making coffee in camp and the end solution.

Postby JaggedEdges » Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:33 am

The keurig and tassimo pod machines are more or less similarish to the espresso disk in that they shove hot water through the coffee.
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