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skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby cr500taco » Sun Jun 03, 2018 9:00 pm

I've been doing a lot of research for building my first trailer. I've seen the skeleton method and framed method for insulating, but I am wondering what's the pros and cons of each?
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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby Sparksalot » Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:06 pm

I think this mainly depends on the skinning method you choose. For example my tear walls started as 4x10 sheets of 3/4" oak veneer. That made the decision to frame the walls, then use a 1/8" birch interior skin an easy one.
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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby tony.latham » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:58 am

I've seen the skeleton method and framed method for insulating...


I guess I'm not quite understanding the "framed method" part of your question. I've built skeleton walls using both 1x 4s and plywood. Using plywood is much less labour intensive. Using "sticks" is a little cheaper.

If you look at this wall my wife is working on, you'll see lots of structural stuff that would be hard to add by some sort of framing. Everything in this skeleton is done for a reason and adds a hard point for something inside or outside the cabin.

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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby Billinthedesert » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:16 pm

Tony, let's see if I have your preferred wall framing correct: 1/4-inch ply over a 3/4-inch "skelatized" interior wall frame, interstices filled with 3/4 rigid foam insulation, inside and outside skins bonded to frame with PL Premium? Just look at all those beautiful clamps ...
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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby cr500taco » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:38 pm

tony.latham wrote:
I've seen the skeleton method and framed method for insulating...


I guess I'm not quite understanding the "framed method" part of your question. I've built skeleton walls using both 1x 4s and plywood. Using plywood is much less labour intensive. Using "sticks" is a little cheaper.

If you look at this wall my wife is working on, you'll see lots of structural stuff that would be hard to add by some sort of framing. Everything in this skeleton is done for a reason and adds a hard point for something inside or outside the cabin.

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:thinking:

Tony

p.s. In the long run, I chose not to attach the fenders to the walls since this 'drop was built to boondock.
Thanks, Tony

By framed I do mean "sticks" as you put it. IE stud framing. Would a plywood skeleton be just as insulated or less insulated as 1X4 with the 1x4 turned sideways? I plan on using the trailer in around 30* weather if not a little colder.

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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby KTM_Guy » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:53 pm

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This is what he meant by using 1X4's. you cut them to build the Skelton instead of cutting it out of plywood. Lots of angle cuts for the curves. I went this way because I want 1" thick walls for insolation. And the other think I can't find 3/4" rigid foam.

You don't see many builds the way you are thinking like you would build a stud wall with top and bottom plate on a teardrop with a rounded roof. The reason is what would be the top plate would need to be curved and I'm not sure how to do that easy.

If you build something like a weekender, it would be easier to build using a stub method.

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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby cr500taco » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:07 pm

KTM_Guy wrote:Image

This is what he meant by using 1X4's. you cut them to build the Skelton instead of cutting it out of plywood. Lots of angle cuts for the curves. I went this way because I want 1" thick walls for insolation. And the other think I can't find 3/4" rigid foam.

You don't see many builds the way you are thinking like you would build a stud wall with top and bottom plate on a teardrop with a rounded roof. The reason is what would be the top plate would need to be curved and I'm not sure how to do that easy.

If you build something like a weekender, it would be easier to build using a stub method.

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Thanks Todd,

My trailer is going to be more of a box style and not tear drop style. It will have a flat roof with it angled in front. Don't know what style that will be called.

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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby Billinthedesert » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:16 am

Daryl, if weight is not an issue, you could use 2X3 studs, but that eats into interior space, although adding room for thicker insulation.
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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby noseoil » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:00 am

I like the cutting method for plywood skeleton walls. All of those little blocks are too much work for me, just sayin'
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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby tony.latham » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:38 pm

Billinthedesert wrote:Tony, let's see if I have your preferred wall framing correct: 1/4-inch ply over a 3/4-inch "skelatized" interior wall frame, interstices filled with 3/4 rigid foam insulation, inside and outside skins bonded to frame with PL Premium? Just look at all those beautiful clamps ...


Exactly. When you're shopping for 1/4" ply, see if they've got underlayment ply. The stuff I get here in the middle of Idaho is cheaper and much better than 1/4" AC ply.

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Re: skeleton walls vs framed walls

Postby tony.latham » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:42 pm

Would a plywood skeleton be just as insulated or less insulated as 1X4 with the 1x4 turned sideways?


Either way, the voids will have 3/4" of hard foam insulation.

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