PICKING THE BEST CHEST (uPdated 8/12/07)

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Postby sdtripper2 » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:52 pm

Steve B:

I think you are wizeImage to be thinking of your build and thoughts of insulation.

I am setting here reading the packaging for the Reflectix® I got at Lowes
today. It says it blocks 97% of radiated heat uP to 180f. Well, if I have this
stuff on the inside and velcro'd tight on the outside with the new weather
strip seal I have for this chest I should see some remarkable changes.

If you look at my first post that red ice chest pic came from the Burning Man :lol:
web site for flat out hOt desert camp Ice chest maintenance. So those
crazies got to have their cold stuff cold. If you read that whole info they
have you will see those people tell the eccentrics how to work their chests for the best. .......


Desert Camping Tips


"A Burning Man special" "Don't just survive ... Thrive"

So if you missed it ... go here and click and on this red cooler:
Then at the bottom of that URL page click forward and reverse
to see more stuff.
Maybe more information than you want on desert camping.

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Keeping your coolers cold clicky


Try clicking on the Table of contents clicky here
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Postby sdtripper2 » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:17 am

Grani:

I was on a 5 day camping trip with Joanne and Kelly the week before the
4th of July. We were in the sun most of the time. I did the shade routine
and not opening uP my Maxgold cooler and so on and we were going to the
store every day to get ice. Yes I may have been over reacting as the water
was cold at the bottom of the chest but it was disconcerting that the ice was
melting so fast.

This whole domain of keeping body, soul and Ice Chests cool when needed
is like the quest for the Holy Grail here on this forum. Many-a-camper or
small trailer owner that doesn't have a three way refrig seeks the grail at
one time or another. Well, Grani, this is my attempt to drink cool Ale for
the rest of my camping days (7-10 days) that is with the choice of the right
cup so to speak. I don't like paying extrotive prices for ice near; far off
campgrounds where the cheaper prices or home made ice is effectively out
of reach.

I just want peace of mind and a cold Ale ... for 7-10 days without the
bother of civilizations greed and extortion. Is that too much to askImage

I don't ask for much ... A little shade so the heat of the sun don't melt the
body and soul and a cold Ale that doesn't have to be continually tended too .
Find Your Holy Grail of coolness 8)
Glad you like this thread Grani ... May you too find your Holy Grail of coolness,
we all want and deserve for all of our camping days.
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Postby madjack » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:32 am

Steve, as an aside...when I got married after 46yrs of bachelorhood, a major party was in order...well it was 107* the day I got married...we took a 10' aluminum john boat and lined it with 2"s of Al backed styrofoam, filled it with ice/beer/wine coolers/pop and covered it with another inch of AL backed styrofoam...we still had ice the next morning...
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Postby sdtripper2 » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:53 am

Jack: :)

Now that sounds like a get down Cajun gatheringImage

Did you have good music from Zydeco land and the crawdad thing or was it
more a traditional sit down per plate thing. Where cakes and fancy dresses,
rule the dayImage

Or did you have more of an informal affair where the occasional something would
show uP, and have your name on it, with the demand for a testing; by those
that came to celebrate your new beginnings ... and life's event Image

Did yur mates see you off to yur new adventure in grand style, JackImage

8) 8) 8)
The cooler boat was a kewl idea Jack and
memorable too ~
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Postby madjack » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:17 am

...it was an old fashioned hippy wedding and it was a HELLUVA party...we started the reception about 4PM at my house...around 5PM, my step brother...the district court judge, hollered from the backyard and around 100 of us gathered under the magnolia trees and he did about a 5 minute service and we were done...and the serious partying commenced...details of what followed, would havvta be told around the campfire or PM to protect the notso innocent :roll: :D
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Postby sdtripper2 » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:42 am

MadOne ....

I just knew you would have one of them type parties ~Image

To tie this in to Chests and Coolers would be my goal here.

I am sure allot of smokin hOtness was going on if it was a 107-f and hippies to the right and left of yaImage

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Jack and his wedding guests could have done these cool things with ice on
that hot day down in Cajun country but-cha know they were too hot to do
that~ clicky They were most likely smokin @ 107-f
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Postby kurtibm » Tue Jul 10, 2007 1:10 pm

I just returned from a 16 day Grand Canyon raft trip where the temps were over 113 F every day, sometimes as high as 118 F - and as you can imagine, there was NO shade.
We used an Icee-Kool 150 cooler and still had ice (no dry ice at the start, either) on day 14. We tried to keep the openings/closings to a minimum, and kept a wet towel on top whenever possible. I was amazed.
The big Igloo Marine coolers that some were using had lost their ice by about day 8 - they also were employing the wet towel method to mitigate heat gain.

One place that sells the Icee Kool coolers is >http://nrsweb.resultspage.com/boating/Icee-kool

Some suggestions to lengthen the life of your ice > http://icee-kool.com/specs.htm

I believe that making a reflectix cover for the OUTSIDE might be an additional help to most any cooler; and it doesn't add much bulk either.

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Postby sdtripper2 » Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:19 pm

Kurt:

I have looked with interest at the Icee Kool products.
Their claims are strong and with your experience they seem to be a very well made product.
Their claims of allowing heavy weight on the lid is encouraging for an Ice chests longevity.

Questions for you:
Did your Icee-Kool 150 cooler have a rubber seal on the lid or the lids resting
area or notImage If not do you feel the seal was milled or had some special built
in adaptation that stood out to youImage

Did the clamps to shut the chests top seem able to last a long time without failImage
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Postby Classic Finn » Wed Jul 25, 2007 5:09 pm

Ok I know Ice is plentiful there and Companies make money with it as any other.. however try finding ice publicly in Scandinavia and you,ll be lucky..

Instead of taking the risk of not having any cold beverages or cooled food we purchased an Isotherm Tb32.. We are very happy with it..
and can we freeze with it and we can also use it for a cooler...

http://www.indelmarine.com/products/TB32.htm

These type of coolers are very popular here as well as in Mainland Europe. Waeco, Indel or Isotherm.. It is run by a Danfoss Compressor
12-24v or mainpower from 110 - 230. And it takes hardly any power at all.

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Postby Joseph » Thu Jul 26, 2007 5:43 am

kurtibm wrote:One place that sells the Icee Kool coolers is >http://nrsweb.resultspage.com/boating/Icee-kool

GREAT GOOGALLY MOOGALLY!! At those prices I'll just buy more ice, thank you very much! :thumbdown:

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Postby kurtibm » Mon Jul 30, 2007 7:48 pm

sdtripper2 wrote:Kurt:

I have looked with interest at the Icee Kool products.
Their claims are strong and with your experience they seem to be a very well made product.
Their claims of allowing heavy weight on the lid is encouraging for an Ice chests longevity.

Questions for you:
Did your Icee-Kool 150 cooler have a rubber seal on the lid or the lids resting
area or notImage If not do you feel the seal was milled or had some special built
in adaptation that stood out to youImage

Did the clamps to shut the chests top seem able to last a long time without failImage


My boat is in storage in Flagstaff, so I can't (remember, or) check the seal. The clasps are small but very positive-locking, like small foot-locker clasps. If (feeble) memory serves, the lid & seat had a close tolerance and were/are likely machined.
Beware, though, in order to try and get the answer for you, I emailed Icee-Kool 3x over two weeks and left 2 messages on their voicemailbox (even though it was during their business hours) and have heard not a peep.

kurt

PS - If someone wins the Lotto, you might look into the following. http://www.erwincomputers.com/5726750.htmlht
It seems to consume 0.9ah, so figure 25 amps or so per day...
Coleman claims: "Keep items frozen in temperatures over 100°F outside"
Which seems to be corroborated here >> http://allaboutboats.blogspot.com/2006/07/coleman-stirling-cooler-12v.html
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Postby sdtripper2 » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:08 pm

UPdate on my finding the right cooler for at least a 7 day run
*Cooler with Reflectix in and out kept temps from 35f-41f for 7 days.
I am not buying a new cooler at this time and that is Kewl for me.
My next uPdate will be for a ten day trip


Pictures below show Reflectix insulation held on to the in and out sides of my cooler
with hidden pieces of white Velcro. I then have the option of taking out
the insulation for better cleaning of the ice chest. Both insulation and Velcro
were bought at Lowes.



My interim choice was to follow uP with the
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Note:
This finding isn't scientific cause I didn't use two coolers of the same
make and the same contents or even same ice. But here goes with what
conclusions I have made.


To clarify my situation:
I have a Igloo MaXcool upright with wheels
Ice Cube MaxCold 70qt. Roller

I was concerned that my food wasn't staying cold enough while out on
the road camping.
I then went on a quest for coolers and found dollar$ were needed to invest in the best units.
(Go back and read this thread for all the inputs)

My interim choice was to follow uP with the Burning Man ice chest ideausing
Reflextix Insulation inside and outside of my cooler to see if the smaller
investment would pay off or at least apease my need for proof that an
inexpensive cooler could be retrofitted with this insulation, have it work and
hold uP under camping conditions.

I am here to tell you that joy has once more come to me, who wants food
cold for at least 7 days.

The core information leading uP to my last real outing at Mendocino and Camp Lane.

Inside and outside of the cooler was made with a layer of Reflextix
Insulation that claims it blocks 97% of radiant heat or keeps in cold to
that extent. So inside a car or at a camp site this stuff should work to keep
your cooler cold. I am here to tell you it did.

I started out with an 10 pound block of ice and a 2 pound block of dry ice,
nestled uP against each other so the dry ice would keep the block frozen. I
then took scrap pieces of Reflectix and put it around the two cool sources
to keep food containers from resting uP against them. I also put yet one
more piece of the Reflectix on top of the cooler contents to keep the cool in
when I opened the top uP.

Speaking of food containers. I have now gone to Glad same size top snap
top food containers that don't leak in or out and the air temp inside the
container stays constant.

So then as seen at the top there are two coolers setting side beside and it
is obvious the one that is Reflextix-ed. You can see the temp difference on
the indoor outdoor temp gages that I ran into the coolers to monitor the
temps.

The meat and taters of the experiment was this:
Prep cooler:
Put frozen ice bottles into cooler the 2nights before trip and had all food
and ale stored in refrig before trip. Taking the cooler to the store alone to
get the ice and dry ice the night before the trip so I could fill uP the cooler
one day out before the trip.

The MaXcold cooler started out at 35f and kept its cool for 7 days before I
put more ice in as I had some left over from my margarita episode. So the
temp kept at 35f for about 5.5 days and then on the 6th day was about 39f
and by the 7th day was in the 41f when I put in about 2 pounds of ice and
whoop it was back to 35f in no time.

After this first test of 7 days I put ice into the cooler randomly as at Camp
Lane they had an ice maker and so why not use what is given. So testing
for longer will be another uPdate down the road.

Note:
Attention to this detail seems important:
The water that melts in the bottom of the unit should NOT be poured off.
It seems to help in the overall well being of the cooler and the Burning man
discussion says the same.

The outside temps uP in the Northern California and mid Oregon those
weeks were not too hot for extended periods but 90f plus was hit around
the camp site and an average of about 75f.

The other cooler without the Reflextix put inside was 5-8 degrees warmer
all the time and ate ice like a polar bear in heat. Even with the blanket on it
and the car window screen of Refextix draped over it.

So for me right now the hunt and the need to spend more money for a new
cooler is put on hold unless I find a deal on the Icee Kool products.


Facts to look at:
Keeping your coolers
cold even for Burning Man event on the playa.


Cooler tip guide

Again for those that want to find Reflextix Insulation:
Reflectix®
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Havin' a party or cookout soon? Did you know Reflectix® Insulation can
double the life of ice in your cooler?
Reflectix® Insulation reflects the sun's heat; therefore it keeps your
refreshments cool in the middle of summer.
Reflextix facts (L@@k under "Retail" for information)
Reflextix info and finding nearest retail outlet:
Just dial (800) 879-3645 push #1 customer service for
technical and installation assistance or e-mail
us at [email protected].

Reflectix® Retailers:
Lowes, Ace Hardware, Orchards Supply
Reflectix® comes in rolls of 16" 2' and 4' widths:
I bought the 2' by 25' and have enough left over to do at least three more
chests inside. and maybe outside as well. It ran about 1 buck a foot at
Lowes.
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Postby asianflava » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:19 pm

You call 75 hot? I was just oustide cutting grass, when I came inside I saw that it was 99. What you should do is do the same test with the cooler inside the car or tear. You know, where you would keep them while traveling.
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Postby sdtripper2 » Sun Aug 12, 2007 11:32 pm

75f Not hot:
Good point Rocky.

As I said this was a real time test as I was living at the campgrounds and
traveling 2 days to get there with the cooler inside and hot to be sure in the
window. I averaged the heat to 75 cause the night air around the ocean was
cooler than the day temps. The weather reports at Mendocino were having
the locals wishing for A/C that they didn't usually use.

So yes your right 75f isn't hot but that was the average taking into
consideration the night air. In the day it was uP in the high 80's to low 90's as I remember it.

I will pay more attention to making the temps hot when testing again and
in Southern Cal I am sure I will find those temps on some trip out to say
Blythe, where the winter snowbirds fly or Joshua Tree, where the desert
temps can be high. I have some trips coming uP that
will take me places of warmth and so uPdates will come again.
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Postby asianflava » Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:30 am

Blythe? is there any good eason to go to Blythe? :lol:
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