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Postby sdtripper2 » Sun Sep 10, 2006 7:18 am

The T&TTT forum suggests the use
of the following trailers most often~


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Building a Teardrop Trailer?

Note:
If you are welding your own trailer frame:
Rich & Doug have created a
Trailer Frame Tutorial
that can be of great help to you.

Note:
Modifying off the self trailer to accommodate the Teardrop design:

Axle position is a consideration as you build a trailer.
You may want to consider modifying the standard utility trailer axle
position back to facilitate door clearance & accommodate tongue weight
distribution for your Teardrop trailer build.

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Andrew (angib)
Andrew has a formula for figuring out the distance back your axle should
go to facilitate, tongue weight, fender position and door opening issues.
Andrew explains his rule of thumb for axle placement:
"My simplest rule of thumb is to put the axle between 35% and 40% of
the frame length from the back - and madjack's 36" on a 8ft frame is bang
in the middle at 37.5%!
You can go as far forward as 45% of the frame length, but only if you have
a light galley and intend to fit a heavy tongue box."

Andrews formula to facilitate door clearance & accommodate tongue weight

Where should the axle be put on my trailer?

Click here to see pictures and read how to modify your new trailer by moving the axle back.

Note: Trailers may have to be strengthened if the
axle is relocated to accommodate weight considerations.


Important:
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Jack AKA (Madjack) talks about proper installation of your axle
& especially if you put it on top of the springs:

"IF, you have a perfectly straight axle, you can just flip it over...however
most axles have just the slightest of bows and that bow ABSOLUTELY has
to point upwards...if you flip it over it will point downwards...do not rely on
your eyes alone...take a straight edge and lay it on the axle to see if it has
a bow in it"
See the slight bowed axle here, so you know what you are looking for.

Click here> Read the whole thread with pictures of Jack's explanation
above for contextual understanding:

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When all is said and done, in planning and trailer finished, Visualize a level trailer as it attaches to your Tow Vehicle (TV).


Note:Think about WEIGHT if you are building a Trailer:
Planning weight issues will save on initial co$t as well as ga$ down the
road. Over building such as using 2x4's instead of smaller framing has
been a regret for many builders here.
Ask or read about light weight
construction and you most assuredly will be happier down the road.


Note:Think about shocks for your trailer:
Some put shocks on their trailers to accommodate weight
considerations and take the bounce out. Some say their trailers even track
better while on the road.


Note: Foundation floor construction flow:
As a general rule a builder builds the bottom of the trailer flips it over and
seals the underside of their trailer then flips the bottom back over
andbolts it down to the trailer frame:

Note: Water barrier for the bottom of your trailer:
What will you use to seal the bottom of your trailer?

Note: Check your trailer Owners Manual for bearing and seal maintenance
prior to running your trailer as well as on going considerations of
maintenance time frames. As a rule it is considered wise counsel to check
& or consider repacking wheel bearings before first use.

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If you are building your own trailer and want a frameless construction, and placement of axle
... click here to see what Andrew suggests?


New builders of tiny trailers often ask what size trailer should I use?

Consider tow vehicle sizing and trailer weight definitions link > here

The five trailers off the shelf that are most often touted here:
3 from Harbor Freight
1 Red Trailer
1 The Tractor Supply Co.

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5x8 and a 5x10 trailer solutions
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Most often touted solution by this forum is the black trailer that
follows is the HF model 93747. Black is favored as it usually
doesn't need painting like red trailers might. The sides and
gate are not needed and don't have to be installed.

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HF model 93747 ITEM 93747-2VGA Black HF 1500 LB. $499.00
HF CAPACITY 60'' x 96'' = 5'x8' trailer 12'' WHEELS AND TIRES NOT a folding trailer
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/d ... mber=93747
Manual for the 93747 = http://www.harborfreight.com/manuals/93 ... /93747.pdf
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Red trailer Model SJ-8512 ...5' x 8' Trailer with 12"
Tires it is a Folding trailer $439.00 solution Max Load Capacity - 1185 lbs.
http://www.redtrailers.com/ShowTrailer.asp?id=4

RedTrailers.com, Inc.
300 Commerce Blvd.
Quakertown, PA 18951
Phone:215-538-1155 ... Monday through Friday 8 am - 5 pm Eastern Time
Fax:....215-538-1156

Ebay sells Red Trailer now

Red Trailer has a few hubs for size tires.

Red Trailer SJ8512 5x8 Assembly instructions
Note: Incorrect Step 7 = Part No: SJ8510-20 should be quantity (4)

NOTE: Spring hangers in kit may be mislabeled

Red Trailer $5 coupon:
(Click on image and find it 4" from the bottom of the main Red Trailer page.
Sign uP for the News letter to get the coupon:)


Click on $5 discount image & sign up: >Image For the Red Trailer:

Go here if your Red Trailer instructions seem wrong because others have seen
the same issues.


Red Trailer ride height? Above or Below the spring distances
Discussion of Red Trailer Model SJ-8535 � 5' x 10' Frame with 13" Tires
The price of this trailer will be $599.95. Due for sale January 2006
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=12778
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Here are 4x8 solutions
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HF model 40597 ITEM 40597-0VGA HF 1800 LB. $399.99
HF CAPACITY SUPER HEAVY DUTY 48" x 96" UTILITY TRAILER WITH 5 LUG
12" WHEELS AND TIRES NOT FOLDABLE
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/D ... mber=40597
Manual 40597 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/m ... emID=40597
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HF model 90154 ITEM 90154-8VGA HF 1175 LB. $239.0
HF CAPACITY 48" x 96" FOLDABLE UTILITY TRAILER WITH 12" WHEELS

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/D ... mber=90154
Manual 90154 http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/m ... emID=90154
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<img align="left" src= "http://www.tnttt.com/gallery/image.php?image_id=1815"width="250" height="200" />

Tractor Supply Co Model SKU #1000215 GVWR- 1500 lbs GAWR- 2000 lbs
The Tractor Supply Co. 4x8 Maybe other sizes too (Call for quotes).

Go to the websites below and find locations and
call for quotes on sizes and availability.

Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR)
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)

Carry-On Trailer supplies trailers to (Tractor Supply Co.)
CARRY-ON TRAILER� EXPANDED METAL FLOOR UTILITY TRAILER
A popular Tractor Supply Co, I believe this one has to be special ordered at the store:
Carry-On trailer 4X8 with no floor SKU #1000215, GVWR- 1500 lbs GAWR- 2000 lbs,
5 lug 4.5 center wheels, lights, wired, safety chains, assembled & ready to go.

*These trailers can be ordered in other sizes too if you can find a
co-operative sales person. The key here is that many threads
hint at trouble getting quotes or the right person to help you.
Read the threads below please before you buy.


Exact dimensions of the SKU #1000215
Thanks Walter (surveytech)


Tractor Supply Co Customer Service (877) 872-7721
http://tinyurl.com/46cfdu SKU #1000215
Carry-On Trailer (They supply Tractor Supply Co.) (706) 356-5379
http://tinyurl.com/qosdx
Carry~On trailer product catalogue pdf
http://tinyurl.com/8aawg4

4x8 no floor trailer
Sku #1000215
Model #4X8NF
Mfg. Carry-on trailer corp.
GVWR- 1500 lbs
GAWR- 2000 lbs
Tires- 480 x 12C
Rims- 12X4JA
90 psi
Single Axle

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Thinking of buying a 5x8 Tractor Supply Co AKA Carry~On trailer
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=27401
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Discussions and information of registering of trailers:

DMV Contact information for each state:
http://www.dmv-department-of-motor-vehicles.com/

California DMV Permanent Trailer Identification (PTI)= goal for Registration of your trailer in California.
Registering a Trailer in Louisiana
DMV Detailed procedure to get Texas license plates for your new travel trailer
Title your Texas Homemade/Shopmade Camp Trailer forms
Kansas registration
DMVOklahoma license plates
Ohio registration
Pensilvania registration



1) Harbor Freight Trailers:
Harbor Freight trailers come with a Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin

2) Red Trailers:Web site RT
Question: How do I register my RedTrailer?
Answer: When you receive your RedTrailer Kit, the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin will be included in a brown envelope, taped inside the section of the box marked "OFFICIAL DOCUMENT ENCLOSED." Registration procedures for kit trailers vary widely, because they are regulated by state and local governments (a few states do not require registration at all), so please be sure to check with your local authorities. Some states require a notarized signature on the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. If this is the case in your state, simply mail the certificate to RedTrailers.com, Inc., 300 Commerce Blvd., Quakertown, PA 18951. We'll get it notarized and return it to you as soon as possible.

Question: I lost the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin that came with my trailer. Can you send me a replacement?
Answer: Yes, but there is a $25.00 fee for issuing another certificate. We'll need to know the model number of your trailer, and its 17-digit serial number.

3) Tractor Supply Co. Trailer Model SKU #1000215 Walter confirms Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin or Title ... Thanks Walter (surveytech)
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Towing laws in the USA and Canada
What states allow double towing?
http://tnttt.com/viewto ... 174#321174

California License and tow laws explained in chart
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/lic_chart.htm
NOTE: (California) No passenger vehicle regardless of weight, may tow more than one vehicle.
No motor vehicle under 4,000 lbs. unladen may tow any vehicle weighing 6,000 lbs. or more gross. (VC �21715)

See here for a more clear explanation of Commercial endorsement for double tow in California.
http://tnttt.com/viewto ... 505#321505
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Parts information that may be of help for your trailer:

All manner of etrailer parts wheels axles and more
http://www.etrailerpart.com/

Spare Tire HF
HF spare 12" tire & rim for # 90154 & 40597 trailers ITEM 44144-8VGA about #39.00:

Bolt Circle Chart for tires "Mike's list":
http://tinyurl.com/2n4qrm
Printable Bolt Circle Chart for use when your searching for wheels:
http://www.teardroptrailers.us/images/bolt%20circle.jpg
http://tinyurl.com/3b3b9v = Thread

The bolt pattern for Tow V or bolt circle proper measuring methods.
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/tec ... ?techid=92
http://www.stagewest4x4.com/store2/stor ... attern.htm
http://www.sromagazine.com/shop/wheelguide.html

Vehicle Bolt Pattern & Offset Reference.
http://tinyurl.com/3j2tv

The bolt pattern for trailer tires thread.
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=11850

Wheel and pictures of bolt patterns
https://www.rsracing.com/tech-wheel.html

How to measure wheel bolt patterns
http://www.randpcarriages.com/tech/boltpatternhtml.html

See more on Wheel bolt patterns and or Tire bolt patterns
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?p=155689

Hubcaps
Baby Moon Hubcap thread
Moon Hubcap thread

AutoZone about ten bucks per crome hub
http://tnttt.com/viewto ... 461#204461

Low cost Chrome Hub Caps two types
http://tinyurl.com/yunslr

Vintage hubcaps
http://www.hubcapmike.com/vintage_hubcaps.html

QuickTrim� ABS Trailer Hub Covers
http://www.lowcosttrailersupplies.com/t ... qathc.html
http://www.lowcosttrailersupplies.com/M ... S/CTGY/CHC

Hubcap help and selections:
http://www.hubcaps.org/desoto.html

Spoke rim wheels like Ford's ... Coker Clasic Wheels
http://tinyurl.com/3x95up
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?p=178821

Tire Charts
http://www.rogerkrausracing.com/TechShe ... edem.shtml
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Bearings and Seals/Covers

There have been many threads on what to do about bearings and
Seals/Caps for the HF trailers. The discussions are around the metric
bearings that these trailers use. As of this writing I have not gotten a
satisfactory listing of maintenance part #s for the trailers here that
we have been touting. I have listed an incomplete list that may
help you get more information from HF for on going maintenance
for your trailers. These numbers may need revising.


Note: Check your trailer Owners Manual
for bearing and seal maintenance prior to running your trailer as well as on
going considerations of maintenance time frames. As a rule it is considered
wise counsel to check & or consider repacking wheel bearings before first use.


Tutorials for packing Bearings are shown here:
http://tinyurl.com/h5goy
http://tinyurl.com/erf43
http://tinyurl.com/e97an
http://tnttt.com/viewtopic.php?t=24508

Metric Bearings and seals from these companies:
Note: Harbor Freight trailers use metric bearings and seals:
Some want and have found alternate sources for these metric parts:
http://www.epm.com/pg23.htm
http://www.rocketseals.com/
http://www.anyseals.com/
http://mdmetric.com/

Harbor Freight Customer Service Representative
Monday-Friday 9:00 - 5:30 EST at 1-800-444-3353


HF model 90154 ITEM 90154-8VGA HF 1175 LB. $239.0
HF CAPACITY 48" x 96" FOLDABLE UTILITY TRAILER WITH 12" WHEELS

Bearing type .............................(28079 BEARING 25M 284 2.85)
Bearing part number..................ITEM 93834-0VGA
Cost about................................$4.99
Need 2 Bearings per wheel 4 per trailer.

Bearing seal/cap.......................(27737 GREASE SEAL 229 1.00)
Bearing seal /cap part #............ITEM 93833-0VGA
Cost about................................$2.99
Need 2 per trailer.

"Cliky"Here > is a thread for this trailer You
will also note a link here that will show a "Servicing Wheel Bearings"
Tutorial.

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HF model 40597 ITEM 40597-0VGA HF 1800 LB. $399.99
HF CAPACITY SUPER HEAVY DUTY 48" x 96" UTILITY TRAILER WITH 5 LUG
12" WHEELS AND TIRES NOT FOLDABLE

Bearing type .............................(Unknown special order HF)
Bearing part number..................(HFVendor# 11239 set of 4 bearings)(Anyseals.com 30205 bearings)
Cost about................................$15.89
Need 2 Bearings per wheel 4 per trailer.

Bearing seal/cap.......................(Unknown special order HF) 30x52x10 marked on the seal
Bearing seal /cap part #............ (HF Vendor# 13922) (Anyseals.com NO. is 24640 OSA)
Cost about................................Unknown
Need 2 per trailer.

Info (Geron Page 3 of this thread)
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HF model 93747 ITEM 93747-2VGA Black HF 1500 LB. $499.00
HF CAPACITY 60'' x 96'' trailer 12'' WHEELS AND TIRES NOT a folding trailer.

Bearing type .............................(Unknown special order HF)
Bearing part number..................Vendor # 27 2 each need 2 packs
Cost about................................$9.00
Need 2 Bearings per wheel 4 per trailer.

Bearing seal/cap.......................(Unknown special order HF)
Bearing seal /cap part #............Vendor # 29
Cost about................................$2.91
Need 2 per trailer.
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Alternative Metric Bearing and Seal Vendors

Joseph talks of "Maryland Metrics" as an alternative source for bearings and seals

This may be a source for HF maintenance parts.
Maryland Metrics, a dealer for AnySeals.com
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Red trailer Model SJ-8512 ...5' x 8' Trailer with 12"
Tires it is a Folding trailer $439.00 solution Max Load Capacity - 1185 lbs.

Call 215-538-1155
Monday through Friday
8 am - 5 pm Eastern Time

Question: I have a question about Item Number SJ8510-20 (RedTrailer Bearing).
How many bearings do I need to purchase to replace all on a SJ8512
trailer?
Answer: You need the inter and outer bearings plus the grease seal for each hub.

See assembly Instructions (above) for a view of the
Bearing image: Part No: SJ8510-20 Each � $3.95 (2 per hub 4 total)
Includes bearing 44643 and race 44610.

RedTrailer Grease Seal Part No: SJ8510-18B Each � $1.65
RedTrailer Dust Cap Part No: SJ8510-21 Each � $1.55


Red Trailer Model SJ-8512 Parts including Grease / Lube PARTS

Red Trailer Bearing KITS
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Tractor Supply Co Model SKU #1000215 2,000 lb GVW

TSC 2,000 lb GVW uses a Dexter Axle

Tractor Supply Co Customer Service (877) 872-7721

Dexter Axle Customer Service
Product Information: (574) 295-7888
Service & Warranty: (574) 295-7888
Axle Ordering: (574) 295-1900
Online Orders: (574) 295-1900

Dexter Parts
Dexter Bearing Replacement Chart
Easy Links to Dexter information
Dexter's Literature
Dexter's Hub kits

L44649 bearing cone 2 each hub
L44610 bearing cup
010-060-00 seal

See Graphic of Dexter Axle with brakes view 2,000LB
GREASE LUBE PARTS For Dexter Axle Note: 2 bearings per hub 4 per trailer Quick View


Dexter Axle 1000-2200 lbs. Capacity Total Parts List

Alternative kit for Dexter Axle Note: You will need more than one kit
Low Cost Trailer Wheel Bearing Kit Code: A-BK1-150
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Trailer & Tow V electrical considerations:
http://www.rydertowing.co.uk/
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Postby kirtsjc » Sun Sep 10, 2006 10:14 am

Thank you for compiling this information!

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Postby trutraveler » Wed Nov 01, 2006 3:14 am

Yes, I want to say thank you too--the teardrop trailer information is the basics of constructing one, and your overview is excellent.
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Postby toypusher » Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:31 am

Whew! :?

When I first read the title of this thread - I thought that you were recommending that newbies all build 5 trailers!! :shock: :? :o :lol: :lol:
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Postby KA » Sat Nov 25, 2006 8:38 pm

Thank you, thank you. :) :thumbsup:
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update: harbor freight 5x8 price

Postby sean » Fri Jan 19, 2007 2:02 pm

I notice that since the new year, the 5x8 landscaping trailer from harbor freight is now 599.99.
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Postby Geron » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:02 pm

Here's a dumb question.

If you're using a torsion axle the 36 or so inches apply to the MOUNT

NOT the spindle----- RIGHT??? The fulcrum is at the mount even with the offset spindles

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Postby IndyTom » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:23 pm

With respect to the ground, the trailer still pivots around the spindles, the mount is where the load is transfered to the frame. So I would think the measurement should be from the spindle.

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Postby Nitetimes » Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:38 pm

Geron wrote:Here's a dumb question.

If you're using a torsion axle the 36 or so inches apply to the MOUNT

NOT the spindle----- RIGHT??? The fulcrum is at the mount even with the offset spindles

Geron


You'll need to determine your tongue weight by the mount not the spindle. The weight of the trailer sits on the mount, it sits on the spindle too but it moves the load forward to the mount. To keep your tongue weight the same as it would be with a spring axle you'd want to figure the point your axle center point would be at as the point your torsion axle mount pivot point would be.
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Postby Geron » Fri Jan 19, 2007 4:19 pm

Well, I got two different answers sos hit warnt do dumb question after all was it.

Spindle vs. mount -- I still vote for the mount. that appears to be the fulcrum. I said that before, didn't I.


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Postby mikeschn » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:02 pm

I've always done my calculations to the center of the wheel.

And while it's true that there is a secondary moment around the spindle, the primary moment is around the wheel centerline.

Does that muddy up the waters a bit more?

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Postby Dooner » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:27 pm

Pivot point is still at the spindle with either axle. Need to measure to the middle of the spindle.
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Postby mikeschn » Fri Jan 19, 2007 5:35 pm

Okay, I am mixing up terms here.

The wheel center and the spindle are one and the same.

The center of the torsion shaft that articulates inside the rubber , is what I don't have a name for... :?

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Postby sdtripper2 » Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:10 pm

mikeschn wrote:Okay, I am mixing up terms here.

The wheel center and the spindle are one and the same.

The center of the torsion shaft that articulates inside the rubber , is what I don't have a name for... :?

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Mike here is what I can find so far:

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Postby Geron » Fri Jan 19, 2007 6:24 pm

Ok,

Is the fulcrum the center of the wheel or the center of the Axle tube.

So the inset from the back of the trailer 37.5% does that center the Wheel/Spindle (same thing) or does it center the axle tube.

Lets get a consensus here :thinking:

Got the sides marked and cut out and am about the build the floor. Gotta Know. I'm still guessing centering on the Axle even though the wheels are offset from the axle. The weight of the trailer rotates around the axle shaft not the Wheel/spindle. Am I thinking straight?

I'm using the terminology as per the diagram of sdtripper2

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