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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:36 pm
by Padilen
Do you have the dreaded, screw head nails?!. If that's what they are I'd probably drill head off and pry boards off the remove the nail.



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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:38 pm
by jr9744
Padilen wrote:Do you have the dreaded, screw head nails?!. If that's what they are I'd probably drill head off and pry boards off the remove the nail.



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How would I know that? I put one pic of the screw in good shape, do you think is the screw you mention?

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 4:54 pm
by rmcrist
flboy wrote:
jr9744 wrote:The good news for today is that my trailer is ready!!! Looks like i'll be driving down to GA on Saturday so I can pick it up Monday morning to drive it back to MD.

Now I'm starting to get super excited... :D



Yay... I am exited for you! That is great!

On the coffee... I raised a bunch of coffee snobs (didn't get it from me)... Starbucks or their elaborate home brews only for them (wife and daughters). The have the electric frothers and etc. for making the designer drinks and etc. :lol: :lol: They go to a Coffee house to get their custom ordered roast and grind the beans at home.. I guess they could have worse vices... :) My son is almost as bad.. he's somewhere on the spectrum between my girls and I.. I can go fancy or drink Waffle House coffee as long as it has caffeine.


French presses really do brew a nice cup. The pour over drip does nice also as it does not use paper so all of the flavor and oils aren't absorbed. My girls would be proud of me. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Ditto's on the Fench Press cleaning hassle... The pour over is easier to clean for sure..


I hear you! Pour over is awesome, but what we learned is that our $12.00 mr coffee from target makes better coffee than my high end cuisinart at home.

I've been tempted to find a used built in coffee maker to put in the camper, but I get the "look" from my wife every time I look for one.


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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:39 pm
by hankaye
jr9744, Howdy;

jr9744 wrote:
Padilen wrote:Do you have the dreaded, screw head nails?!. If that's what they are I'd probably drill head off and pry boards off the remove the nail.



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How would I know that? I put one pic of the screw in good shape, do you think is the screw you mention?


I've had luck by dipping a damp screwdriver tip in some Comet or Ajax. It improves the 'bite' in the screw head. Also,
are you using a Prince & Reed or Phillips of the proper size? If you still fail to extract any of the screws then I'd think
that they most likely are the screw-headed nails and I'd just drill off the heads and pry the wall panels off.

hank

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:45 pm
by jr9744
Holy Cow!! Those were nails that look like screws!!! I ended up using a chisel to kind of get to the head of the screw/nail, then I just moved it around and popped it out. Sometimes I could get the hammer in there and just pop it off with that. Other times I just hit it a bunch with the chisel until it came.

But, there has got to be an easier way. I did try drilling the heads off to no avail. Vets, any advice on taking these off quickly? If I have to chisel every screws, this will take me all year.

First Panel off. I tried my best to keep the plywood in good shape so I could reuse it.
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First Panel. I do believe I can reuse this one.
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For some added security, I added master locks to the back and side doors.

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I then wrapped a wrope around the front of the trailer and then to a tree. May not do nothing, but I figured it is a little deterrent.
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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:48 pm
by jr9744
hankaye wrote:jr9744, Howdy;
I've had luck by dipping a damp screwdriver tip in some Comet or Ajax. It improves the 'bite' in the screw head. Also,
are you using a Prince & Reed or Phillips of the proper size? If you still fail to extract any of the screws then I'd think
that they most likely are the screw-headed nails and I'd just drill off the heads and pry the wall panels off.

hank


They are the dreaded screw-headed nails. I tried drilling off the heads with a drill bit, but had no luck. Is there a special drill bit or tool you use for this?

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:02 pm
by hankaye
jr9744, Howdy;

Forget the frustration of trying to drill, go get a good nail puller aka cat's paw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_paw_(nail_puller)
With each smack of the hammer you can feel the tension leaving and your
family will be happy to see you after you're done. Rather then the grumpy Gus
that will show up after attempting the drilling.

hank

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:16 pm
by Iconfabul8
You could find a very small thin walled hole saw and cut around the nail. Sort of like I did on my ceiling staples.

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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:17 pm
by jr9744
hankaye wrote:jr9744, Howdy;

Forget the frustration of trying to drill, go get a good nail puller aka cat's paw.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_paw_(nail_puller)
With each smack of the hammer you can feel the tension leaving and your
family will be happy to see you after you're done. Rather then the grumpy Gus
that will show up after attempting the drilling.

hank


Thanks for the tip. I found some at HD. I'm going to go pick one up tomorrow. The only issue I foresee though is that some of those are pretty much embedded in the wood. It would be nice if I can find something that will quickly get rid of the wood around the nail so I could then pop it out with the cat paw. I guess I could still use the chisel, but that is so painful and long to do.

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:18 pm
by jr9744
Iconfabul8 wrote:You could find a very small thin walled hole saw and cut around the nail. Sort of like I did on my ceiling staples.

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Great idea!! I'm going to get this along with the cat paw tomorrow and both should make easy work of getting those panels off. And I would be able to reuse them instead of buying new ones.

Thanks!!!

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:51 am
by jr9744
I went to HD and bought a cat claw and a very small circular drill saw thing.
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These are the pain in the ass screw/nails in question
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The small red drill did not work. I used a small 1/2 inch winged drill thing to cut wholes around the screws.
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Once I could get the cat claw in, pulling these out was no issue.
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Second Panel off
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Now that I have a strategy, I will try to get all these panels off tonight. I do have this thing called work to do during the day though. So will see what I can get done after work.

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 7:57 am
by jr9744
Generic question. Once I get all these panels off, do you guys use something to glue the first rigid foam in place against the wall?

As you can see, my trailer is 24 OC and the studs are tiny. I wonder if I'd have to use something to glue the first layer of rigid insulation in place. I plan to put two layers on the sides with no vapor barrier and seal it with aluminum tape.

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Also, there is Luan wood on the top of the roof near the middle. Would you guys leave this on and insulate on top of it or remove it and then insulate?

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Any feedback here would be greatly appreciated.

Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:15 am
by flboy
I did not glue the insulation to the aluminum (I am on 16in on center). In fact, I didn't want a good contact there (some folks if they have room actually put strips in to stand off from the skin). I did cut for a tight fit and tape all around the insulation to ensure no thermal bypass to the inside. I did not seal the aluminum skin at the bottom frame to allow it to "breathe" and dry out any condensation that may occur. That area is not sealed well and I left it that way. No air should be able to get around the insulation to the inside for the best result.

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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 8:20 am
by flboy
The Luan in the ceiling needs to stay where it is. It is there to make a slight grade so water does not pool in the center and runs to sides.

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Re: 7x7x16 V Nose Cargo Trailer Conversion, First Build

PostPosted: Thu Jun 08, 2017 9:08 am
by aggie79
I've never tried to remove these type of "screw nails" but was wondering if you tried an impact drive instead of a drill to remove. Perhaps you might try back out the screw nails with the impact driver. If they "spin in place" maybe doing so will lessen their grip. Or maybe try using the drive to shear them off by trying to drive them in further.
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