Hamdrop

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Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:21 pm

Intro/Design/planning

I'm going to reserve the first few posts for the different topics on this build, so I can keep all the pics/progress somewhat organized.

The goal of this build is somewhat unique, as it's not canned ham, and it's not teardrop.
I like both, and I have respect for the designs of those who have gone before me.

Main design goals:
1. a floor - yea I know, not very exciting, but a place for muddy shoes that's not outside.
2. elevated bed / lounger -- again, seems simple enough, but a full size futon with a frame that makes it into a "double wide chaise lounge" is very interesting to me.
also the ability to sit up, and not just kinda lounge against a wall is a plus.
3. inside storage, including cooler space. I like a cold soda a night, morning, actually about any time.
4. ability to get dressed inside -- not everyone likes to do the "worm" to put their pants on in the morning, and the ability to sit on the end of the bed, and then stand up -- is huge.
5. safety -- no combustibles inside - period. To that end, not even a propane stove in a rear galley, where a propane leak could cause issue. All combustibles outside.
6. off road capable -- I know I know, build like an airplane, not a tank -- well, I'm thinking more like armored car....
7. low amp draw everything -- has to be able to boondock, and still run the heater at night if needed, or whatever else.

This is to be an expedition trailer for my son, who wants to backpack, well, everywhere. We explored T@b's and T@g's, and believe it or not, came away liking the T@g's much better, especially the off road wide version. Canned ham's typically try to put too much stuff in too little space, where a classic teardrop doesn't try. T@g's and T@b's kinda follow that trend as well. The only real downer on a T@g? no floor, etc.. so custom it had to be. I love the alde system in the T@b's, and have figured out a perfect DIY version of that (heat only, no hot water) with the combustion/boiler outside, running glycol, so no freezing issues. C-channel steel frame, and torsion axle, drop floor, solid walls. (yea, solid spruce, no plywood)

I'll get some pics up soon, I've got the trailer/drop deck / bed-futon lounge built, and ready to start the walls -- so hopefully I can put up pics at a reasonable pace.

Here's a couple to start, to show the trailer, and the deck that's on the "wrong side..."

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not a dinette, but still comfy...
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:22 pm

Exterior

no pics yet, but the exterior will be a bit unique as well.
As I do acoustical installs, I have 68" nylon open weave acoustic fabric available to me (left over from projects)
The plan is to stretch/staple fabric over the exterior, and then give it a good coat of UV stabilized fiberglass resin.
The resin and the open weave fabric should work well together, and give a nice smooth, no seam finish.

First pic -- cutting out the walls. Gotta love finger jointed spruce, makes this kinda thing a walk in the park.
BTW - the spruce blank is 6' x 11.5' -- can't do that with plywood easily.

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The finished product....

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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:22 pm

Interior

No pics yet, but the interior will be finger jointed 5/4" spruce (aka, the walls) finished with gloss poly.
The ceiling will be acoustic fabric, with a 1/4" thick X 1.5" strip of wood that will nail down over each spar.
This should give a nice fabric/wood ceiling, that will curve with the teardrop easily enough.


[EDIT]
Finished product.... went native on the ceiling, no fabric....

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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:22 pm

Up front kitchen
OK, so this one took a bit of doing. Wind shield was the biggest thing to figure out. I was going to put the grill on 36" drawer slides and let it slide out the side of the tongue box. Nope, that didn't work. Leaving it in the box, and the using the center storage box turned 90 degree on its side provides enough wind shield to be usable even in kansas winds.
Shurflo electric faucet that turns on the pump only when needed, and storage underneath for propane and water rounds out the kitchen.


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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:23 pm

heating/safety/misc

So, the DIY alde system...
1. 30k btu instant hot water propane - heating RV antifreeze - aka glycol, mounted in front of the tongue box.
2. solar circulating pump (2 of them, one from tanks through radiant heaters, the other from outsider boiler through tanks - interrupted by car thermostat)
3. car thermostat with relay, so that hot water boiler shuts off at 180 degree / back on at 160 degree when thermostat calls for heat.
4. a pair of 4 gallon tanks for some thermo-stability
5. radiant baseboard heaters (go by the space on each side of the bed)
6. simple round contact only thermostat

Only power required, is about 1amp to run the solar pump... boondock heat all night, no dead battery in the morning.

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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:34 pm

pics/progress/other stuff

Ever start to build something from IKEA, and it doesn't turn out like the picture?

yea, happens to me all the time....
(This was three Kallax 30" square bookcases plus 4 drawer fronts.... I void warranties...)

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Re: Hamdrop

Postby pchast » Thu Dec 14, 2017 8:19 pm

Welcome! Interesting approach.......... :D
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:28 pm

pchast wrote:Welcome! Interesting approach.......... :D


Thanks -- this is fun, walls goin up !!

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Re: Hamdrop

Postby Staryder61 » Sun Dec 24, 2017 3:31 am

Welcome, great start.. like the spruce.. will be watching this.. :thumbsup:
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby Woodbutcher » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:24 am

Well done! :applause:
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby KennethW » Sun Dec 24, 2017 12:36 pm

jbell.louisburg wrote:heating/safety/misc

So, the DIY alde system...
1. 30k btu instant hot water propane - heating RV antifreeze - aka glycol, mounted in front of the tongue box.
2. solar circulating pump (2 of them, one from tanks through radiant heaters, the other from outsider boiler through tanks - interrupted by car thermostat)
3. car thermostat with relay, so that hot water boiler shuts off at 180 degree / back on at 160 degree when thermostat calls for heat.
4. a pair of 4 gallon tanks for some thermo-stability
5. radiant baseboard heaters (go by the space on each side of the bed)
6. simple round contact only thermostat

Only power required, is about 1amp to run the solar pump... boondock heat all night, no dead battery in the morning.

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RV antifreeze will freeze(+12?) !! When is does freeze it does not expand. So it will not break pipes. So RV antifreeze will not work in very cold weather
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby jbell.louisburg » Mon Dec 25, 2017 6:47 pm

KennethW wrote:
jbell.louisburg wrote:heating/safety/misc
RV antifreeze will freeze(+12?) !! When is does freeze it does not expand. So it will not break pipes. So RV antifreeze will not work in very cold weather


yea, the diluted stuff -- +12 is true. -100f stuff is pure ethylene glycol - and freezes at -60. If my son is out in -60 weather, he should be home !!!
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby KCStudly » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:05 am

Nice start.

Just a word on non-std. fabrics and polyester or epoxy resin composites; the strength comes from the composite nature of the combined materials. Nylon is a slippery material that very few (any?) things will actually adhere to, so I would be really cautious about using it as a substitute. Might get bubbles or just not have the desired strength result; when in doubt, test. Especially if attempting to wet thru on a dry cloth technique (i.e. laying dry cloth on a dry surface and attempting to soak thru to the base, not generally recommended by "the experts"). I did a little experiment with epoxy resin and canvas, and the resin just didn't absorb in the way it does with glass cloth; the fibers remained visible and dry looking under the resin and it did not get as stiff as FG cloth. (Your acoustic cloth may have more voids than canvas or linen, but the ill effect may be the same if the resin doesn't truly saturate.)

I know there is an argument in there somewhere that glass fibers don't really absorb resins, either, but dedicated laminating fabrics are engineered to work with their specific composite resins.

On a similar note, we foamie builders have learned that the best faux fiberglass comes from using water based glues (TB2) and natural fiber fabrics (cotton canvas or linen) where the liquid literally soaks into the fibers.

In the end, you will have far too much manpower invested (more than you think) to risk the entire project on an untested method, so test. If a small scale test looks good, step up and do a larger scale test; sometimes results change with scale.
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby S. Heisley » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:13 pm

That range top is a beauty! The shape of your teardrop looks nice, too! :thumbsup:
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Re: Hamdrop

Postby pchast » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:13 pm

Pretty stuff going in.
I question the advisability of cooking inside. :thinking:
Do you have enough ventilation?
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