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Looking for lightweight composite panel product

Postby Duane King » Tue Jun 01, 2010 10:46 pm

I work as a designer and a builder for a local children's theater. I am always using luan plywood to make scenery elements. If I need something to curve, I use 1/8" luan. If I want something that is dimensionally stable and strong, I use 1/4" luan backed with 1 x 3 pine framing. This product is cheap and easily accessible at the local Home Depot, and it meets the budget requirements of my boss.

But I want something more.

I design scenery based on 4 x 8 foot sheets. Occasionally I need to take a sheet of luan or regular plywood and cut lots of holes in it. I have created the silhouette of jungle vines and redwood forests. . . that sort of thing. Every now and again I need to make something large and yet it must be very light weight. So today I got to thinking about a product that would be very useful for me. Somebody has probably already invented it, I just need to find out where. . .

I want something that is like foamcore board. But instead of paper on each face, I want luan or some other lightweight (1/8") wood panel. In the middle I want something like styrofoam that is light and easy to cut with a jigsaw. This product must be without voids and be easy to paint. It must come in 4 x 8' sheets, be 3/4" thick and cost no more than $40.00 a sheet. I occurs to me that this miracle product would be great in teardrop construction. . .

So, DOES ANYBODY MAKE A COMPOSITE PANEL PRODUCT LIKE I AM DESCRIBING? And if so, how come we are not using this miracle product to make teardrop trailers?

If the product does not exist, I think somebody could make a fortune by developing it for theater applications. . .
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Postby teardrop_focus » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:33 am

I want something that is like foamcore board. But instead of paper on each face, I want luan or some other lightweight (1/8") wood panel. In the middle I want something like styrofoam that is light and easy to cut with a jigsaw. This product must be without voids and be easy to paint. It must come in 4 x 8' sheets, be 3/4" thick and cost no more than $40.00 a sheet.

So, DOES ANYBODY MAKE A COMPOSITE PANEL PRODUCT LIKE I AM DESCRIBING?


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No, sir; not for $40 per sheet... about the only thing w/ a wood veneer that's as thin and lightweight as you'd like would be some uber-pricey aircraft interior panel$.

I work in the flim bidness (intentionally misspelled) and am intimately familiar w/ foamcore and luan... those two materials remain the two current standards for building (luan) and lighting (foamcore).

Consider, my good man, that since necessity is the mother of invention, this could be your first step towards financial independence... :thinking:


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Postby teardrop_focus » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:40 am

Damn you, sir.

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I wanted to build my teardrop w/ simple, traditional materials: (mild steel chassis), 3/4 ply floor and 1/2 ply walls, 1/8 ply ceiling...

Now you have me thinking of building my teardrop's walls w/ a solid panel (no stick framing) of bonded 1/8 veneer sandwiching foamcore... it would wind up being less than 5/8" thick, be somewhat better insulated and weigh practically nothing...

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Postby halfpastsix » Wed Jun 02, 2010 6:22 am

Plastic Soffit...

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It weighs nothing, is strong, waterproof, easy to cut and cheap. I don't know how good it would be for making theatre sets, but for a camper it's perfect. If I were to do it again, I would forget about the wood framing and just glue it together, it is that strong.
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Postby aggie79 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:11 am

I haven't used it, but our local plywood specialty company has Foamkore panels made by Kerfcore. They only stock 4' x 8' x 3/4" with hardboard faces, and it sells for $61/sheet. Kerfcore is available with poplar faces too.

Here is a link to the product:

http://www.kerfkore.com/NEW%20BROCHURES/foamkore.pdf
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Postby Spadinator » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:02 am

halfpastsix wrote:Plastic Soffit...

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It weighs nothing, is strong, waterproof, easy to cut and cheap. I don't know how good it would be for making theatre sets, but for a camper it's perfect. If I were to do it again, I would forget about the wood framing and just glue it together, it is that strong.



How did you finish the edges on this. I have been thinking of using it for my new build.
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Postby Grid Runner Adventures » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:28 am

that sounds like what my camper is built out of. but I made the panels myself. laminated 1/8th inch ply to each side of 3/4 inch foil foam board.

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Postby halfpastsix » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:29 am

How did you finish the edges on this. I have been thinking of using it for my new build.


I used plastic angle to start with. It is just glued on. You could use aluminium angle or anything really. To cover up my bad silicone work, I used plastic corner used for plastering.
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Postby Spadinator » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:41 am

Ok thanks.......
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Postby bdosborn » Wed Jun 02, 2010 1:35 pm

Make your own lightweight panels. Its simpler than you think:

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Postby eamarquardt » Wed Jun 02, 2010 2:55 pm

bdosborn wrote:Make your own lightweight panels. Its simpler than you think:

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Plastic from HD, packing tape, and a shop vac.
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Postby Trackstriper » Wed Jun 02, 2010 7:14 pm

aggie79 wrote:I haven't used it, but our local plywood specialty company has Foamkore panels made by Kerfcore. They only stock 4' x 8' x 3/4" with hardboard faces, and it sells for $61/sheet. Kerfcore is available with poplar faces too.

Here is a link to the product:

http://www.kerfkore.com/NEW%20BROCHURES/foamkore.pdf


If it was readily available the FK75PP12 might be really nice...3/4" extruded polystyrene faced both sides with 1/8" poplar plywood....20# for a 4x8 sheet. :yes:
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Postby Cliffmeister2000 » Wed Jun 02, 2010 8:23 pm

For your application, how about the plastic corregated sheets that I've seen real estate people make signs out of? Strong, light weight, and waterproof.

http://www.coroplast.com/

Note: The above linked website also mentions a new, expanded PVC board. That has an interesting sound to it... :thinking:

http://www.foamboardsource.com/special- ... t-4mm.html

$485 for 25 sheets. At $19.40 each, luan is still far cheaper.
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Postby Duane King » Wed Jun 02, 2010 11:44 pm

aggie79 wrote:I haven't used it, but our local plywood specialty company has Foamkore panels made by Kerfcore. They only stock 4' x 8' x 3/4" with hardboard faces, and it sells for $61/sheet. Kerfcore is available with poplar faces too.

Here is a link to the product:

http://www.kerfkore.com/NEW%20BROCHURES/foamkore.pdf


That Kerfcore certainly has promise. The product information on the web-site says that storage may be a problem. The panels have to be stored flat in a non-moisture environment. Our theater strorage buildings are very crude with not much climate control. So that may not work. . .

I like the homemade panels that Bruce did with the plastic sheeting and the shop vac. Pretty neat. What kind of glue did you use to laminate everything together, Bruce? Did the shop vac really keep everything flat while the glue dried?
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Postby Ageless » Thu Jun 03, 2010 12:48 am

Duane; the concept about vacuum bagging is that you remove most of the air from the surface. That allows normal atmospheric pressure; about 7 lbs per sq.inch. to apply even pressure.
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