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Postby Loader » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:00 pm

Quick question for frame and suspension experts. I may have a chance to pick up some new (to me) wheels, they are from a 2003 (approx) VW Bug, the size is 16 inch 5 x 100mm. I have searched the net and been unable to locate a trailer hub that would work.

Any ideas as to wear I could purchase the hubs/bearings to build an axle so I could use these VW wheels?

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Postby PaulC » Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:41 pm

Earl, maybe you could use a standard axle with adapter plates. You may have to get them made up but they should be cheaper than getting a set of hubs drilled to VW specs.

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Postby tonyj » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:15 pm

I agree with Paul than an adapter plate might be the way to go, but you may have a tough search. There are lots of VW adapter plates going from a VW hub to a Ford or Chevy wheel, but finding an adapter plate going from an american hub to a VW wheel might be tough.

It might be easier and cost effective to look for a similar wheel that doesn't require an adapter.
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Postby Loader » Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:51 pm

Thanks Paul and Tony. I've been all over the net too, with no real luck. I was thinking along the same lines (adapter plate). I may just have to pass on these wheels then - cost prohibitive.
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Postby Dale M. » Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:31 pm

Just find a hub the wheel will fit over (center) and take them to machine shop (if you don't have capabilities) and have studs pressed out and new holes drilled to fit new "pattern" and press studs back in ....

I would avoid adapters if at all possible...

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Postby bg » Mon Jan 07, 2008 12:16 am

http://www.ezaccessory.com/Wheel_Adapte ... 0-5100.htm

I think that's what you'd need, Earl.
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Postby Steve F » Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:38 am

Can you not get blank hubs? They are quite common here. Surely taking them to a machine shop and getting them drilled would be pretty cheap?

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Postby asianflava » Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:28 am

You may need the adapters anyway. Since they are VW wheels, they probably front wheel drive wheels which typically have a positive offset. The adapters will take up some of that space so that the wheels don't rub on the frame.
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Re: Metric Hubs???

Postby Classic Finn » Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:00 am

Loader wrote:Quick question for frame and suspension experts. I may have a chance to pick up some new (to me) wheels, they are from a 2003 (approx) VW Bug, the size is 16 inch 5 x 100mm. I have searched the net and been unable to locate a trailer hub that would work.

Any ideas as to wear I could purchase the hubs/bearings to build an axle so I could use these VW wheels?

Thanks


Since I live in the land of beauracracy we overcame that same exact problem.

Also a thought, check with Jim Lindner..in Indiana. because Jim uses the VW Bug Wheels. And the axles are made there locally.

Just a little note though, Jim isnt the quickest in replying. Now wonder how I know. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Also the hubs can be filled and redrilled.. We did that here because the adapters are not legal here. So we have a one piece hub and the inspectors here wouldnt know the difference. :twisted: :lol: :lol: Plus my
Wheels are somthing that isnt found here normally. American Racing Wheels.. 8) 8)

Thats the way mine are done. and just as professionally redone as any store bought. :D :D :D Any shop that does machinist turning can make them.

Next if we have a certain bolt pattern thats not found here this place will make me the entire hubs. :D :D

If there is a will there is a way.. So we did.

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Postby Loader » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:03 pm

Thanks for all the replies and links guys!

BG - those spacers adapters look pretty good, and you are right Rocky, the wheels are positive offset. Although the axle would be a custom made "cut to length", so perhaps the offset wouldn't be as big a deal.


Heikki, thanks for Jim's name.
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Postby bg » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:09 am

Steve F wrote:Can you not get blank hubs? They are quite common here. Surely taking them to a machine shop and getting them drilled would be pretty cheap?

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http://www.allstatestrailerspares.com.au/index.php?cPath=88_90&osCsid=a3b72444dfe8401b54c311e331ceb6ba

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Haven't been able to find any yet. Looking for an odd bolt pattern myself (4x108mm).
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Postby Classic Finn » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:37 am

bg wrote:
Steve F wrote:Can you not get blank hubs? They are quite common here. Surely taking them to a machine shop and getting them drilled would be pretty cheap?

Scroll to the bottom
http://www.allstatestrailerspares.com.au/index.php?cPath=88_90&osCsid=a3b72444dfe8401b54c311e331ceb6ba

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Haven't been able to find any yet. Looking for an odd bolt pattern myself (4x108mm).


4 x 100 and 5 x 112 is most common here. One example for the 4 x 108 is used on Peugeot 309 and its a 13 inch

Id also say a machine shop will do the trick.

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Just for help if needed.

Here is a conversion table form inches to the mm .

Inches to
Millimeters.

4 x 3.93
4 x 100

4 x 4.25
4 x 107.95

4 x 4.33
4 x 110

4 x 4.50
4 x 114.3

4 x 5.12
4 x 130

4 x 5.51
4 x 140

5 x 4.00
5 x 100

5 x 4.25
5 x 107.95

5 x 4.50
5 x 114.3

5 x 4.53
5 x 115

5 x 4.72
5 x 120

5 x 4.75
5 x 120.65

5 x 5.12
5 x 130

4 x 6.5
4 x 165.15
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Postby brettweir » Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:52 pm

looks to me me that 4x4.25 should work for the 4x 108mm
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Re: Metric Hubs???

Postby brian_bp » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:53 pm

The adapters are likely the easiest approach; the thicker (1.25") ones would likely be required to get close to making up the difference between the VW offset and the trailer axle offset.

Loader wrote:Any ideas as to wear I could purchase the hubs/bearings to build an axle so I could use these VW wheels?

If the rear axle bearing carriers of the Golf are bolted to the suspension then an axle tube could have plates with matching bolt pattern welded to it... then any wrecker with VW parts is a source of the hubs and bearings; this approach was featured in a recent topic about Australian trailer suspensions using Toyota hubs. Brakes would complicate matters.
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Re: Metric Hubs???

Postby Classic Finn » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:22 pm

brian_bp wrote:The adapters are likely the easiest approach; the thicker (1.25") ones would likely be required to get close to making up the difference between the VW offset and the trailer axle offset.

Loader wrote:Any ideas as to wear I could purchase the hubs/bearings to build an axle so I could use these VW wheels?

If the rear axle bearing carriers of the Golf are bolted to the suspension then an axle tube could have plates with matching bolt pattern welded to it... then any wrecker with VW parts is a source of the hubs and bearings; this approach was featured in a recent topic about Australian trailer suspensions using Toyota hubs. Brakes would complicate matters.


Its not a big job for a machinist to do the hub work.. :thumbsup:

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